BY Samuel Starkman, Becky Palapala
PUBLISHED: 11/11/2008
I would just like to pose one question to those that are so in favor of banning smoking on campus: Have you ever read an epidemiological study that has conclusively linked secondhand smoke in the environment outside of buildings to pulmonary and/or cardiovascular disease? The answer is no. The only cases where people have been diagnosed as having diseases directly caused by their exposure to secondhand smoke were those people who had direct contact with smokers in a closed environment and on a daily basis (bartenders, waitresses, family members of smokers, etc.). The truth is, by attending the University of Minnesota in a metropolitan, highly industrialized city, one which also boasts one of the highest commuter rates in the country, simply being outside and breathing the air is much, much worse for your health than walking past a person smoking a cigarette ever could be. That being said, to further ostracize smokers in our community, who in all reality are NOT hurting anyone by smoking outside, is simply stripping them of their civil liberties, preventing them from living a normal life as they see fit in accordance with the law. How is that different from Prop 8?
Samuel Starkman
University Employee
Chelsey Johnson's guest column of Thursday, Nov. 6 was among the weakest I've read in a long time. While very few people will argue that secondhand smoke is good for anyone, outdoor, campus-wide smoking bans amount to nothing less — and nothing more — than a witch hunt. Outdoor smoking ban proponents would make smokers' lives miserable every minute of every day just to avoid spending three seconds walking past a smoker. Folks will willingly leap into pools containing the poison chlorine and scrub their teeth with the poison fluoride (both of which are in city water, by the way), but we are to believe that a 30 second exposure to dissipated cigarette smoke is destroying the health of every last innocent nonsmoker on campus because “any level” of poison is unacceptable. The claim is offered in earnest, like these people are prisoners pleading for their very lives.
Anti-smoking proponents are quick to repeat the mantra that there is no “safe” level of smoke exposure, but what does it mean to be “unsafe?” I should think that it is all but impossible to muster a scientific study that could show that passing exposure to outdoor smoke has had any long-term effect on anyone's health. In fact, my understanding is that the claim refers to the amount of smoke that can be inhaled with no evidence of it in the blood. Of course, the presence of something in the blood is not the same as a deleterious health effect. We ingest poison everyday as medication, inhale poison from car exhaust, and take all manner of chemicals into our bodies every day, if not willfully, in most cases, with no concern whatsoever. We're not concerned because we know that “the poison is in the portion.” Cigarette smoke is no different and can be no different. In fact, in still air, the level of cigarette smoke in the air becomes effectively “undetectable” 25 feet from a smoker (the University's “25 feet from a door” rule is not arbitrary). Every study I found expounding upon the dangers of outdoor secondhand smoke exposure could only muster scary information about the cloud of smoke within “a few feet” of a smoker. Indeed, if you are standing nose-to-nose with an outdoor smoker, you're going to inhale a very high concentration of smoke. And if you insist on doing this for hours a day, every day, indeed, it will probably make you sick.
The notion that we should enact an outdoor smoking ban just because others have is also absurd. Appeals to consensus or common practice are hallmarks of an ill-conceived or inherently weak argument. There are approximately 2,618 accredited four-year colleges and universities in the USA. A mere 160 have enacted outdoor smoking bans. The converse of her argument is this: “Let us remain with the nearly 2,500 universities that have not enacted an outdoor smoking ban!” What other people are doing doesn't make something right or wrong and should have no effect whatsoever on the University.
I don't know if Thursday's guest columnist genuinely believes that she is going to die from walking past a smoker on Northrop Mall, or if she is a run-of-the-mill lynch-mobber whose real motivation is a belief that a government should legislate people into good health and micromanage every aspect of private citizens' lives. If it's the former, I hope she'll be relieved to hear that, yes, she will survive the smoker on Northrop. If it's the latter, I think she should be ashamed of herself.
Becky Palapala
CLA Senior














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Self Inflicted Punishment
Smokers have brought this on themselves. Everywhere you go on campus there are people smoking directly outside of the doors. If smokers actually stayed 25 feet from the doors this would never have become an issue. Also at issue is the incredible number of cigarette butts thrown on the ground.
If you smoke and hate the proposed ban blame yourself.
Nope, you're wrong. If
Nope, you're wrong. If smokers did stay 25 feet or more from entrances (which should really be enforced), and if they religiously placed their butts in butt cans, we'd still hear from the anti-smokers.
Smoking Affects EVERYONE.
I have nothing personal against a person who chooses to smoke. I believe it is their own choice. However, I did not choose to smoke and therefore do not want to have cigarette smoke being blown into my face. (This has occurred several times and I was not standing close to the smoker.) It seems to me that many have not actually researched this topic to the full extent. There is research out there that states that the hazardous chemicals that are in both the cigarette and smoke, can linger for hours. Even after the cigarette has been put out. Also the secondhand smoke IS damaging to a person's health. Yes I agree that thirty seconds will not kill you. However there are two things wrong with that statement. One, it is not like there are only one or two smokers out there. There are many ,which means that it is more likely that you will be exposed to way more then just thirty seconds. Two, there is documented proof in several bigger cities that when a smoking ban has helped decrease the heart attack. The study was conducted by comparing the rates of heart attacks reported to hospitals from a pre and post smoking ban period. I doubt highly that either people stopped going to the hospital when they had a heart attack or that all of a sudden everyone was living healthier life styles. It is not just the students that smokers are affecting but the faculty and families too. I constantly see parents taking their children for a walk through the campus. Second hand smoke is extremely dangerous not just to children but the elderly as well. I agree maybe if people actually adhered to the 25 foot policy maybe this complete ban would not be necessary. No matter what happens one side of the argument will get the short end of the stick. Since it is becoming more and more common for non-smokers to get lung cancer now hopefully the University will side with the non-smokers and hopefully the ban will encourage smoker to quit.
If anyone want to look at some statistics I suggest going to the American Lung Association website or just looking at scholarly or newspaper articles.
Nicotine addiction is a sad,
Nicotine addiction is a sad, and sorry thing. A marker of a weak and feeble brain.
And it makes people stinky.
When a smoker sits by me at class or on the bus, it makes me want to vomit.
"A marker of a weak and
"A marker of a weak and feeble brain."
What a stupid thing to say. Lots of intelligent, highly motivated people smoke. Your comment is a marker of how pathetic you are.
A Stupid Thing to Say?
No, a marker of a weak and feeble brain:
http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2008/10/081022222911.htm
Did you actually read the
Did you actually read the article? They haven't determined anything yet...
"Scientists at The University of Nottingham are to use MRI technology to discover whether abnormalities in the decision-making part of the brain could make some people more likely to become addicted to drugs."
"...Dr Lee Hogarth in the University’s School of Psychology will study the impact..."
In case you missed it, that's future tense.
Oh, and the title of the article:
"Could Brain Abnormality Predict Drug Addiction?"
That is a question, not a statement. But don't let that stop you from spewing bs. Anything to make you feel superior, right?
From the New York Times -- 1996
In 1996 it was discovered via PET scans. Perhaps this is what motivated the University of Nottingham to do the study with MRI technology.
From the 1996 NYT artivcle:
“Today that mystery seems to have been solved by using positron emission tomography scans of the brains of patients being treated for cocaine addiction. Reports from three different laboratories using PET scans show that when addicts feel a craving for a drug, there is a high level of activation in a strip of areas ranging from the amygdala and the anterior cingulate to the tip of both temporal lobes.
This mesolimbic dopamine system, as it is called, shows heightened metabolic activity ''when people are in a profound state of craving for cocaine, primed to seek it out and take it,'' said Dr. Annarose Childress, a neuroscientist at the University of Pennsylvania who did one of the PET studies. The work has been reported at scientific meetings but has not yet been published. The same system seems to be ordinarily in play to provide a sense of pleasure in whatever people find rewarding, like sex or chocolate or a job well done. Dopamine may also be part of a reward system in creatures as different from humans as bees, other researchers have shown.”
Here's the link. Read it
Here's the link. Read it all.
http://query.nytimes.com/gst/fullpage.html?res=9B0DE5DF1631F930A2575BC0A...
Get real, you anti-smoking fanatics
People people people. Stop and think about this issue before spouting off like mad.
Nick,
Sure there are SOME careless smokers who toss their butts wherever, however if smoking were banned, there would be no more receptacles for cigarette butts, and I can assure you most smokers would still smoke on campus. Where do you think their butts will go?
Anonymous,
Firstly, if you can't handle unfortunate smells occasionally blowing past you, why not work to ban flatulence, which I can tell you from an experience in a classroom yesterday, left me exposed to an unpleasant sensation for well over 30 seconds. Or how about banning cologne on campus? I hate walking past a stinky hippy bathed in patchouli oil, and I shouldn't have to suffer for them enjoyin what they enjoy!
Also, I am quite sure no 'bigger' cities in the US have 'banned' smoking, and I'm hesitant to trust reports about the results from any nation that would. Plus, think about it, smoking health risks are long-term. Why would a smoking ban result in a sudden drop in heart attack? I would expect it to take at least a decade before such results would be noted, and as such I highly doubt this information. And if you are referring to bars banning smoking and the resultant health increase in non-smoking service staff, that's a completely different story.
In addition, you cite more and more people getting lung cancer. Just today it was released in the news that we have the LOWEST SMOKING RATE SINCE THE 60's in the US currently. Now why on earth would you think an increase in lung cancer rates overall would be related to smoking?! Have you not received the particulate matter health alerts in recent years? There's your real reason for increasing cancer, our dependence on fossil fuel combustion is not only doing the whole CO2 thing, but also jacking up the levels of particulate matter in our air, thus bringing on the cancer. Want more info? GO TO THE AMERICAN LUNG ASSOCIATION WEBSITE.
Lastly, as the above line implies, I did visit the american lung association website, and guess what, , I could NOT find a SINGLE ARTICLE OR LINK discussing the OUTDOOR risks of smoke exposure. Not one. There was a lengthy section about outdoor air quality, , , but nothing NOTHING referred to smoking.
Mark,
I don't even need to say anything.
If people want to cite health costs also, then you really ought to work to ban obesity, as even when smoking was at its peak, health costs associated with obesity were 25% higher nationwide than those associated with smoking. (80 Bil/yr vs 100 Bil/yr, NIH 2006) So calm down people, and let the smokers smoke.
Oh, and one last point, I AM NOT A SMOKER, so don't even try to take that attack route.
Bill, "Firstly, if you can't
Bill,
"Firstly, if you can't handle unfortunate smells occasionally blowing past you, why not work to ban flatulence, which I can tell you from an experience in a classroom yesterday, left me exposed to an unpleasant sensation for well over 30 seconds. Or how about banning cologne on campus? I hate walking past a stinky hippy bathed in patchouli oil, and I shouldn't have to suffer for them enjoyin what they enjoy!"
Wow, you should really give me the links to the studies you read that indicate flatulence causing cancer. I really do not understand how the smell of a person's cologne relates to my health.
Also I did make one mistake in my last comment. I mentioned American Lung Association but what I meant was the Surgeon General. Though I was able to find information about ETS there.
Also, I am quite sure no 'bigger' cities in the US have 'banned' smoking, and I'm hesitant to trust reports about the results from any nation that would.<--- could you clarify this because i do not understand why you would not trust them. maybe you can bring to light something i do not know.
Consider this maybe in the 60's people were smoking more because there was still a lack research available to the public. So it would make sense that the numbers are lowering now because people are becoming more knowledgable. And even the number of people that are getting lung cancer and are not smokers should be irrevelvant becuase most if not all is caused form second hand smoke. Also there is proof that it effects non smokers and i am living proof. smoking is said to, when exposed as a child, cause a large amounts of ear infections and the child can consequently be shorter because of its exposre. Both things happend to me because i had a parent that smoked. And if you have not already guessed i am not a smoker either.
for smokers it is just an inconvience but for non smokers it can be damaging
Your argument is spiraling into irrelivence
You missed the point with the first part about smells. Mr. Brambelburton was countering a statement that "though the health risks for outdoor exposure aren't documented, it is still unpleasant to have smoke 'blown in my face'" by saying lots of things we are exposed to aren't exactly pleasant to each person
"most if not all is caused form second hand smoke"
This is a ridiculous assessment. Are you saying that at a time where the lowest number of people are smoking in a long time, and indoor smoking is banned almost everywhere, that non-smokers are somehow being increasingly exposed to secondhand smoke, thus causing an increasing number of cases of lung cancer? Totally illogical.
"i had a parent that smoked"
That's INDOOR EXPOSURE!! And with a parent, you'll likely be in close proximity with that person!! If you had a neighbor who stood outside and smoked and you received health problems that would be comparable. We aren't debating letting people smoke in the buildings, friend. While your health issues are unfortunate and I wish you the best in dealing with them, they are of no relation to an outdoor smoking ban.
All this ban hubub is ridiculous. What ever happened to "liberty and justice for all"?
About not trusting a nation who bans personal choices
could you clarify this because i do not understand why you would not trust them.
Sorry, allow me to elaborate:
Any nation that would impose such a restrictive law as to ban smoking throughout the entire city (as compared to say just indoors which I totally understand and support) is a nation that does not respect the rights and liberties (as James pointed out) of its citizens. Such nations are also prone to bend the truth so as to justify their actions and keep the populace in check. As such, I would be quite hesitant to believe a report released that, not surprisingly, claims extraordinary benefits from their actions.
Note also that I am calling these results extraordinary. Refer to my prior logic about health effects being chronic and long term. If every smoker quit smoking right now, they would most certainly not avoid all of the health problems they have dug themselves into with their habits overnight. Indeed, like I stated, such a response would likely take up to a decade.
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