Fight breaks out amid Stadium Village protest

i didn't hear anything about a Muslim woman and i was there for over an hour and half.

That's because he wasn't picking on the Muslim woman. He was picking on the woman with the microphone who was chanting anti-war slogans and swearing at him...

Proponents of waterboarding should be buried alive? Wow, you are an enlightened individual. I see your high sense of morality and advocacy of human rights with that statement. Waterboarding is terrible, but burying people alive is fine by me! Kudos to you.

I'm confused as to why these student groups are against Military recruiting near College campuses. Why wouldn't the Military want as many College educated recruits as possible?

Linden, who not surprisingly is unemployed, makes a terrible argument. The way she talk, you'd think you were forced to join if National Guard recruiters hit you with a paintball as you left Chipostle.

And by the way, WATERBOARDING WORKS. Your precious President Obama would like you to think it doesn't, but it prevented an attack on Los Angeles using high-jacked airplanes from Asia. I suppose spilling water on Top Terrorist Leaders isn't worth protecting innocent Americans.

Funny how the same people who are all for CAPTURING and INDEFINITELY IMPRISONING terrorism suspects from other countries while TORTURING them are the same people who think other countries should unconditionally release American spy suspects (Roxana Saberi?). Do I smell a double-standard? Yes, as a matter of fact I do.

I'm an idiot. Nobody knows what the hell I'm talking about. I will go bury myself. You can disregard my comments.

Oh oh, the liberals are getting angry.

I have reason to believe that one of the people holding the waterboarding sign at the MN College Republicans event is a sleeper agent for a Timothy McVeigh type terrorist cell. I think he should be waterboarded 246 times on Northorp Mall to obtain the needed information. I think the member of the College Republicans who said " We should do waterboarding all the time" should be the first interrogator. I do hope that the free ticket offer still stands

1. Torture does not give credible evidence. FBI got the info of 911 before the CIA started the torture. (if you watch something other than Faux News you would know that)
2. the LA even was not true, and if it was Bill O'Reily would have celebrated it.

3. Those demonstrating and shutting down the recruiters station are not against the troops, they are against our Gov. and the military lying to those who want to enlist. All they are demanding is truth be told to those who want to enlist. Maybe if people would get their heads out of the sand and read the brochure, or even read some of the signs the demonstrators have they would know that.
4. Many of those demonstrating are people who have loved ones who served, or were in the service themselves.. Many of the students in YAWR were recruited themselves and tell of the lies told to them my the recruiters and the illegal harassment.

5. Many of the groups involved in shutting the stations down care deeply of both the troops and the innocent victims of war. We just want our troops home now, and stop the BS and lying to the public and the troops.

Thankfully, these junior fascists are not running the country -- not at the moment, anyway. They keep forgetting that their support of torture -- along with their illegal wars and their economic crisis -- are the primary reasons they and their party were tossed out of power. Maybe that's why they're so angry at the demonstrators (the guy in the front-page photo was particularly belligerent, especially toward the women in the crowd).

Regardless, I hope they keep showing up and I hope they keep bringing their "Free Waterboarding Tickets" signs (side note: that particular sign also had a "Semper Fi" sticker on it). That pretty much sums up what their side stands for. And if the U.S. armed forces keep enlisting people like that, then we can expect more scandals like Abu Ghraib in the future.

I suggest you all read a book called "Oath Betrayed," which was written by the U of M's own Dr. Steven Miles, about the abuses at Abu Graib and Guantanamo.

"but it prevented an attack on Los Angeles using high-jacked airplanes from Asia."

According to whom?

To war protesters: There are still U.S. soldiers dying in a war. Approach them from a place of compassion, not hostility.

To the soldiers: It is a fact that you are responsible for supporting the killing of hundreds of thousands of civilians in foreign countries. Own up to that responsibility and make the choice to stop it immediately.

I will make the choice on whether or not to defend myself and my loved ones when the time comes, but don't you dare claim to be defending my interests.

I would rather the recruiters clean the defaced station.. better than spending another day lying to a young person to try and get them to join so they make the quota and not get demoted.

There are a lot of worse things than having to clean off the posters.

As a demonstrator, there are many weekends, and family times I have missed trying to educate and stop this military madness. I would rather not be protesting. I would rather NOT marching, in freezing weather. I would rather NOT have to copy down the names of troops killed in Iraq and Afganistan and then read them off in public.

I would rather NOT have to listen to another soldier tell his soul torturing story of what he did.

I would rather NOT have to watch and listen to the soldiers during "Winter Soldier"

I would rather NOT have to hold a mother or sister who broke down after telling me their loved one was killed in Iraq, or committeed suicide.

I would rather not look into the eyes of a female troop who was raped by a commanding officer and still had to go back overseas.

I would rather not have to have my cousin tell me her stepson isn't coming back to U.S. on leave because it is harder on him to leave family again than to just stay in Iraq. He is on 4th tour as a sniper. I would rather NOT have to keep the pain in my soul knowing that when he finally does come back, if he does, he won't be well and neither will his family.

I would rather NOT have to protest in front of recruiters's station.. just like the many others there would like NOT to have to protest

Ann:

Your story is all well and good. It must make you feel are warm and fuzzy inside. Even though you say you are doing this for the benefit of the soldiers, nearly every one of your statements started with "I."

Like you considering your time spent with family and friends versus demonstrating against military recruitment, prospective soldiers are presented similar dilemmas. The difference is the decision the soldiers make FOR THEMSELVES does not involve a consistent place to call home. Sure, recruiters are going to pump up service, enticing potential recruits. Have you ever been told in an interview that the company is a piece of crap and you're an idiot for considering them? What I think most of you protestors fail to realize is these prospective recruits are not helpless or brain-dead. They know the motives of the recruiters. They know the ramifications of their decisions. Let them make them on their own. I have several friends who have entered into the service and spent time overseas in the sh*t in different capacities for different reasons. A few because they wanted to pay for school. One because school wasn't working out so he needed a new direction in life. Another joined out of a feeling of duty. Every single one made the decision for themselves and absolutely none of them regret it, even the one blown up in Afghanistan--thank God he wasn't taken from us.

Look, no one in their right mind enjoys war and its terrible side effects. The fact of the matter is, this nation, every nation, needs to defend itself. I'm glad that there are fellow citizens of mine who hear that call and volunteer. I'm glad we don't have a draft which would put sissies like you in defense of my beloved nation. It may be a cliche, but we wouldn't be here right now, you wouldn't be demonstrating, if we didn't have heroes like these willing to lay it all on the line for us. I often regret not volunteering, but I'm glad there are plenty who do.

How come liberal-leaning people, of all people, fail to recognize the right of someone to choose their own path in life? How come liberal-leaning people seem to feel it is not the individual's responsibility, rather the collective's responsibility to determine what is right and wrong for someone?

Will the greatest country this world has ever seen (Liberals, read: The United State of America) ever realize individual accountability again? We can only hope.

God, Bless the United State of America. Sweet land of LIBERTY.

This article misses an overwhelmingly important part of the story, which is that the anti-war protest was only one of five coordinated actions throughout the Twin Cities, plus another at MSU-Mankato, for "Zero Recruitment Day." - not to mention the lockdown at the Oak/Washington station going on today (Friday).

Not a single one of the other actions had any counter-protesters show up. Clearly, majority opinion is in favor of shutting down military recruitment - which, ironically, the counter-protesters helped do yesterday by their crazy spectacle. While the patriots just seem to enjoy being annoying when it's convenient to do so, people who care about human life more than flags are consistently taking direct action against war and militarism.

People can see a play-by-play of all the actions and more information on the issues at TC Indymedia: http://twincities.indymedia.org.

One can argue for hours with people who are for "freedom" and "democracy" brought by bombs and depleted uranium by a clearly superior military force. We should not waste our breath on people who carry signs that make light of or support waterboarding . These people are sad individuals who demonstrate a cavalier attitude toward a serious issue. They are both immature and uninformed. Don't they understand that when the United States, or any other country, uses torture it makes torture an option for all? How much do they really care about US soldiers? Of course, they are the ones in the minority. They don't realize this because the United States is not a democracy. The voice of the people is not being heard. The whole world knew that attacking Iraq was unjustified. But the United States government did not allow the checks and balances to work. I guess our Congress people had too much invested in the war to prevent it. Now, as the profits of war go to a small elite and corrupt group, and things get worse for ordinary citizens who are losing their homes and their pensions and their health care, the war is coming home. It will affect everyone, even those whose wealth make them seem untouchable. At a time when we are threatened by global warming, every possible cent should go toward dealing with that in the most intelligent way we can. Otherwise, the planet is toast. And as for the morality of war, the most important thing I ever learned in high school was from my history teachers, who team taught a section on the Civil War. They said that there has never been a war that has been fought about principles. Wars are always about gaining resources and strategic territory. These teachers were absolutely correct. Bless them. I hope I wasn't the only one to get their invaluable message.